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3 had experienced three hours of Internet entrepreneurs sitting in despair in front of you, to express their hearts full of sadness and anger
you find that the tragedy of the real world as in the virtual world will happen
Time: March 9, 2010
promoter: statement of the founder clubs
person: Chen Haozhi Yeeyan Chairman and Managing Director < br> Li Zhuohuan grumble Founder of
Zhu Zhijun techweb crooked Founder of
hearing person: Bao Yujun CPPCC National Committee member of China Private Economy Research Association,
Emperor Ming Huang Ming Solar Energy Group National People's Congress Chairman
Fansheng President of HC International Consulting Co., Ltd. a leading financial writers

Wu Xiaobo Wang Weijia Zhao
Mtone Wireless Chairman and CEO of Beijing University of Technology, Professor of Economics and Management who owns
Wang Xuan legal background of the entrepreneurs to their individual requirements, there
anonymous Moderator: Niu Wen the door seems to open the business, but real business channel in the tightened. entrepreneurs Death usually occurs suddenly, those who led the sway of the small start-up companies run. SMEs are experiencing an unprecedented scale Fair will become violent. entrepreneurs flawed, but it does not mean that public power can be arbitrarily deprived of their rights, rule of law and illegal can be made non-legitimacy. in a country of rule of law, why is there such a blatantly illegal Chief? Law dean Jiang Ping, said: illegal violation, the entrepreneur who chose to endure in silence. why we did not dare stand up rights? rights we have to do? How rights? these issues directly at the moment, much according to the future.

the first round of hearings to be dead Why not fight?
public rights-related stock movements

Zhongguancun Software
force UF ignore
procedural justice, but only to low-cost enforcement, entrepreneurs should not be accused of the ;?
Zhu Zhijun: I still very angry, baffled. the morning of January 22 this year, had not received any notice, techweb DNS suddenly stopped and IDC (Internet Data Center) domain access, the site was sealed out. I was completely ignorant (8 days Zhu Zhijun was manslaughter in 2006 founded techweb. before a problem with web content, web monitoring Haidian Public Security Bureau of Beijing Information Office or call the these contents will be deleted. But this time He does not know which department for processing, without any formulation, the company did not give any official statement, the site stopped operations. because it is impossible to self-examination, the server, there are more than 50 million news, community is the quote millions. In the past management of the Internet sector is the Ministry of Public Security and the Information Office of the basic, but several more recent look at: the Ministry of Culture, Press and Publication Administration, the Ministry of Industry, would like to find out the message do not even know who to turn to.
s two days, through friends, they got a game community page with links to more than 20, said the problem lies in a one point. They Baidu bar to check the previous snapshot, until you find the piece of garbage called Jurisprudence ad. they immediately write briefing material prepared together with all documents to apply for restoration of business Haidian Public Security Bureau. from Haidian, Beijing Public Security Bureau Public Security Bureau and then to the Ministry of Public Security Bureau Online supervisor XI, finish the process in the public security system, Including the weekend is over 5 days. After the materials to the Ministry of Industry and Telecommunications Administration, Deputy Director in charge at the field meeting was delayed for two days. Ministry of Industry after the signing, the server hosting the techweb in Fujian, Fujian formalities and go to Provincial Communications Authority, Deputy Secretary to other charge they sign? words.
techweb to stop the server from being reopened after a total of 8 days .8 days, more than 30 employees all leave, the company completely shut down, Zhu Zhijun and business partners to keep to explain our users and advertisers. Later, friends privately told government Zhu Zhijun, this is actually a manslaughter..) I'm sure, 99.9% of our content is clean of IT professional information. was aware, Replies probably because there is a spam software, and sell the treatment of impotence, premature ejaculation medical device, which mentioned the name of the genitals. I guess this information. In fact, until now no one official told me that in the end which violate Article a? regulations.
I do not understand, we address more than 30 jobs, we pay taxes to the government, what we've done? Why the Ministry of Industry of an executive order almost let my company is facing liquidation? step back that, even if I'm wrong, you also have to tell where I was wrong, right? Again, you always have to ask how I was wrong to pull out a direct shot, right? Now we resumed operations, but only before the peak value of access to data two-thirds. I summarize the whole process is: based on lack of law enforcement, law enforcement rough? violence.
Chen Haozhi: Hello, everybody. I do is Yeeyan, the translation of an open community, the afternoon of November 30 last year, two are related. I think the biggest problem in this process is that the Government failed to observe. we have and the British Service regulations, formal notification, we were pulled directly from the server hosting the network cable room. no notification process, there is no rectification process, no one told you to pay the fine, the domain name can be restored. Now we see the translation of words, I record a new domain name. failed to observe means that you get the penalty is not assessed.
Wang Xuan: Why not prosecute? you in the illegal infringement by the government. Even if your site has the so-called illegal, but you do not forget , the low, or even may not be accepted, but a report fails, tell more people, there will be change.
Zhu Zhijun: I thought of! first two days, I am almost mad, really prepared to sue in court. Through friends in government, I asked to be a public letter to his subordinates text related techweb, I want to sue to sue the Ministry of Industry. but then many of my friends advised me: Do you have old, under a small company so many people can not be swayed by personal feelings. I listened to the words of friends.
Wang Weijia: You can think of to tell, this is valuable. Someone once said to me, you choose this environment in China business, we must speed connection, Do not fight. but I asked him: a non-compliance with traffic rules and driver hit me, who am I not the courts to sue him?
Wang Weijia
Chen Haozhi: Indeed, before today, I did not thought about this option. In this environment, repeated than ten years, I feel really numb, and even more emphasis on survival skills, becoming more and more obedient attitude, which has become my lifestyle.
Also, multi-sectoral management of the Internet more and more serious let us know what to do. Wang's rice has network has more than 200 days in jail, he was not even the head of a bureaucratic never seen. Now is holding the plaint did not know whom (now shut down the site shut down process is the process: the State Council Information Office (hereinafter referred to as the State Information Office) Public letter to his men by shutting down a website article, the Ministry of Industry to OFTA through the internal below, OFTA through their own The IDC management system from shutting down your site IDC.
when you apply for site re-opened, you have the sole and only one entrance IDC, back from the IDC to OFTA, the letter and then go back to work Department, then returned to the country's new? do.
want to claim it? IDC from the day you start to leave, handed it with your application where you'll never know. Some sites five or six copies of materials presented to IDC, No one was told where the. unless the money, the Trustee. costly to the right of appeal..) I do not know who my boss in the end. For example I want to be a business, to apply for the Ministry of Culture Web Culture GAPP licenses and But if there is a two qualification is not perfect, I have probably been killed. start I did not feel safe.
Huang Ming: This situation and the status quo in China, the entrepreneur must know how to 识时务者为俊杰. must be see he can fight to what extent. you go to reflect, to the prosecution, is your right, but you have to judge it the result. you will not be a mantis trying to stop the car the victims? may have ten thousand mantis, this car really be stopped, but the former must have been run over several thousand mantis, and this situation must be assessed to you. you have to for their own survival absolutely responsible for the climate and then cold, you have to learn to adapt, you more hardy than others, you win. So if there is a mistake on your own, not others.
Fansheng
Huang Ming
Fansheng: listening to you two statements, I ask a question: When someone trouble, you call before? the rights of entrepreneurs are often unfairly squeeze, which is the norm in China, much more miserable than you to go to. someone else happens happens, how many in schadenfreude? a few people are willing to stand up for his word? you do not appeal, is that you give up the right to appeal do you think it is. But I say unto you, to the complainant, if they fail, for this class, is important.
there, is all shouting to be bullied, and there is no problem of your own? you about online games flooded the problem? China has 10 million children are now obsessed with the network. my home in a village , the school pulled down and built a three Internet cafes. a lot of Internet companies earn is based on the number of dilapidated home, parents Tears of Blood on? you do not discuss these. From the beginning you're not good, of course you can not sue.
site record anecdotal
2006 by the end of a man named Zhou Jingbo Nanjing users to write notes to the Ministry of Information Industry reported 63 Class Website in violation of state for the record the government regulate the terms. This 63 sites to the Ministry of Education, Ministry of Health down to the local government or county level offices website. in accordance with the Order No. 33), an independent domain name to any non-operating site must go through registration procedures, and filing electronic verification placed on its Web site marks the specified directory (such as the Home Ministry of Information under the label of No. 04000001 or did not specify the record number. As a rule, these sites in addition to order them to correct, should be start the second round of hearings VS Civil
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60 subjects risk-averse after the longer, but only to a failure of government opportunities; 80 not grateful government, citizen-heart business, to the right to talk about fairness, you need to succeed Huang Ming
opportunity: an individual is bigger, than the overall situation, you are very small, not confrontation.
Niu text: I saw it, Professor Zhao you have different views. you first, and so, we Another July 21 last year, was shut down (dead phone July 21, 2009, Li Zhuohuan server hosting company suddenly received a telephone room, the caller is a normal staff. He said that higher authorities take notice, demand distortion grumble immediately stop the service, the time limit is before 4pm, otherwise pull cord. Li Zhuohuan a watch is 15:50, only 10 minutes, they can only stop the service immediately. He calls in the first reaction was to ask , in the end which the instructions of a higher authority. the other party did not know. magazine has reported this process, I will not say more. We found a lot of friends, many departments have no formal means of communication to and solutions. to the end, basically, I guess not. Earlier this year, I decided to end this for three years, invested 300 million, the earliest of a micro-blogging site. now I'm still finishing touches to give an account of the team and investors.
Huang Ming: You're a crooked web site called the grumble is not Jijiwaiwai querulous mean? complain must have great customer base, but in the larger environment, if the voice of the larger crooked grumble, grumble crooked people you put together, it must be killed. the name doomed you to be finished. you learned when it spent 300 million to buy.
China is now big enough, get rid of a few companies, an industry did not, and do not hinder the overall situation. an individual is bigger, than the overall , you are very small, not confrontation. have no sense of security, said Hao Chi, how reject fear? his own business and no risk to the local staff, which is a practicing entrepreneur should do, I think the Christian used to create the spirit of enterprise in many miracles.
Li Zhuohuan: grumble grumble distortion does not mean there is a thing all right that the meaning of those words. government regulators, he may realize that many people will be going to grumble crooked. However, the intention is not complaining about our website. The problem is China's existing laws to create a state of universal law, at any time to kick you out.
Fansheng: Everyone illegal you illegal? that you deserve it! you business rights, is to change the social, legal, institutional, in fact we have changed. Paul President (Bao Yujun) know, Thirteenth report that we are part of the socialist economy to add. Now, 95% of the employment is what we do, we become a leading force. We start when they were bullied Zhongguancun into what kind of a (60 80 years after the start time of bullying, high-tech private enterprises to enter it? not. Fansheng to find the original Seaward Woo, vice mayor of Beijing, Guangzhou, sit there and do not go to the other side that has been consumed, then you come on. Fansheng and Wang Wenjing (UF Software founder) was the first to go two full Zhongguancun high-tech enterprises, the Government say you are the private sector does not give you tax cuts. how to do? put up.)
people do, such as horns Garak, not big money, have been looked down upon, but also to communicate and the competent authorities. publications. HC Trade and Industry Bureau in mid-fighting is. once Fansheng been also jump the queue, but then we also know that all 77's. Fansheng began to pull friendship. the last director, said brother you go back, after the attention point. Where students say.?
your own to get rich, to be successful, you have to adapt to society, do not say this is unfair. out of the thing, you have the means to settle, this is what you got. you pack up this time was, point for thinking about the next time, do not be packed up to this approach. my personal business criteria are, and quit without good thing and did not deal with state-owned enterprises, absolutely not, and an officer friend to do business. I stayed, I believe that the boil ten years, I will be very strong.
Wang Xuan: The Internet is a product based on Western ideas to promote liberty, equality, sharing, but what is freedom, equality, and what to share, it must have a good social system. We can go step by step proposal, to change, in the NPC and the CPPCC at all levels of the industry's efforts to increase the seats and places. I see the image of Cho Hwan good, you can look at see if there is no opportunity for change.
I am a person born in 80 years, we encountered the problem is that the older generation can not imagine. behead a generation braving the danger, but that time the market blank, there are many opportunities, whatever may become a thing to do. Now we are faced with what? monopoly market more and more powerful state-owned enterprises, and gradually squeeze our living space. the previous generation of entrepreneurs has been up, have their own accumulation of resources, and even has a vested interest groups with government departments, with collaboration, cooperation.
But this generation in our body, the greatest pressure comes from innovation and entrepreneurship. competition and changes in the external environment, do not force us to done, and this space is already quite small, so innovation is our generation advance the cause of their only motivation.
Wang Weijia: I agree with Wang Xuan said that the initiative to change the environment. In fact, after listening to the previous bit older point of view, I especially would like to say a word: We're citizens, not subjects do! current business environment better than the original, can not complain that the government has? should be grateful to the Government it? In fact, you were born today, This environment is what is what, do not make value judgments. As an entrepreneur group, we have to do is to unite together, through legal channels, all of the existing unreasonable to change it over. This is a master of mind. < br> Zhao: Vega mentality that citizens, this is a trend of .60 years who is, as long as the government failed to give me a chance, I am very grateful to you. But after 80 talking about the right to a fair chance chance of success.
Wang Weijia Zhao
: entrepreneurs to protect their rights is a fundamental rule of law issues. entrepreneurs should realize the Government's rule of law, but we dare not do, it would have to Renzai. the practice of the older generation of entrepreneurs is to play it safe, get one thing through the relationship, bypassing a regulation, it is I've got. It is immature. determines the course of their business they are very afraid of death, it is understandable . But if, after 80 generations still think so, then the game is completely.

negative abandoned the third round of hearings, or together?
Some people want to protect themselves huddled together, there people who claim to unite to claim their rights. Which way is the ultimate entrepreneur self-relief channels?
Wang Weijia: We're citizens, not subjects do!
Niu text: Zhu Zhijun, Hao Chi, the sudden death would not thinking of your future business impact?
Chen Haozhi: survival techniques from the point of view, I have to adjust focus. You Guan Deyan, I ducked into a safe corner work? choose a areas do not, do not go for too much innovation, not to have to do dream of a great company, so as to be more secure.
my focus will turn to the business after the Saatchi Collection Network. collection the size of the industry is only 40 billion a year million, only about one-tenth of the Internet, the money really fell for one of our web site has a lot less, and the collection is a very specialized field, the Government does not? understand.
I once had a ambition is to establish definitely not immigrants, when my wife moved, I did not tempted. I think as a Chinese person in China, made of something. Recently, I often think is not the immigrants it? The reason is simple, at least not to my Google Album will be killed.
Zhu Zhijun: Frankly, after this incident, I became very disappointed, but also do not want to forget immigrants. I love my country, but a way of using sport to engage in construction of the country can give me security sense? I do now a new project, not even the soiled side of technology, science and technology now have the political risks to do, I also went to consumer to do things very much, and no risk. You see Wang, class information services to do the two projects have been killed, and now also do not buy the site you?
Wu Xiaobo: just the two mentioned immigration, in fact, Jiangsu and Zhejiang, migration is also becoming private entrepreneurs circle important topic. I am four or five-year-old friend, talking about immigration. For entrepreneurs, immigrants actually a very helpless choice. There is no doubt now where the most entrepreneurial opportunities around the world is China, the West countries are now very high start-up costs, opportunities for a lot less. so entrepreneurs want to emigrate, to face such a problem: you emigrate, the money in your hand how to do? I asked a friend to immigrants: to Canada to do? environment, entrepreneurs have any self-relief channels? My answer is: First, do not do; Second, do small. the last time there were two private enterprises in a typical state: one is discouraged; second Enterprises turn to speculation of an entity, entrepreneurs would prefer to sell the business, to play the stock market, real estate sub, do LP.
Wang Weijia: Just now you said that to boil, to call, coming to an appeal to the government gradually changed. but we can not simply wait for the future lies in the change in the government. If we do not unite and fight for our interests, vested interests of party you want to have changed now, it is not possible. Chairman Mao said long ago, less than a broom, Garbage will not vanish.
such as the drafting. When it's sunny soon as Charlie was born, all enterprises are caught off guard. typical of Chinese enterprises is only introverted, regardless of others on the cream tile. just want to play tricks to bypass, or take care of what the Secretary the Director, do not execute this method. This only shows immaturity of our entrepreneurs.
interests of the game is now a multi-age. Our entrepreneurs are very timid, in this case is not organized up through legal channels to express their interest demands. We have a lot of business NPC, CPPCC members, many of them need to have high-quality proposals and motions, why can not we unite, through these representatives to participate in the legislative members to protect their own interests then?
Zhao: agree with the views of Vega, to fight for fair mechanism to treat the public authority also needs to have a citizen's mentality. Fansheng said earlier, the entrepreneur must first ask themselves is not good. But I will say is: even if I as a moral depravity of man, I'm sorry, you what the law of the procedures to deal with me, but also with how to handle, not because I fall, the law can no longer maintain justice process.
Chen Haozhi: We used to face exposure to injustice and repression, so the lack of expression of the brave. Now I feel effective expression, the accumulation of tiny voices are very valuable, maybe not in one, two times play a role in the process, but it is a necessary strength and attitude. This is our generation must take responsibility. I will seriously consider what I should do.
Zhu Zhijun: entrepreneurs together, to find and advocate the interests of nurturing our own, through the legal channels to participate in a constructive manner to legislation which is of course a very good thing. but I doubt that our existing channels of participation is a valid channel, will not It was this sacrifice?
Wang Xuan: There is a saying in Buddhism, called the work does not Don donate. means that the effect may not necessarily lead all efforts in the moment, may have in the future, but as long as you do, it must have significance. peace of mind that we are gradually to promote it, and gradually to improve it, must be meaningful for the future.
Niu text: the discussion is so valuable to us, and I did not have such a profound thought of . Here we please, for president to be a summary of it.
Bao Yujun: Today's will be very good, you speak the truth in the Chinese rare. entrepreneurs to liberate themselves, and orderly way to liberation participate in national decision-making, to change the world through participation, this is the only right way.
We do not underestimate yourself. We are a huge social wealth to create a powerful class, representing the elite of China's advanced productive forces. Unfortunately, we are in a dispersed state. If we can organize themselves, through their trade association, or other organizations, entrepreneurs, reflecting the views of our party and state leaders are very willing to listen. We are can play a huge role in society as a class. to help our country progress, to help countries to achieve rule of law, scientific decision making, democratic decision-making, this is the greatest entrepreneurs of social responsibility.
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to open Internet cafes , note that neighbors should never do is Taoranju,
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online boss to count, in your mother in the end Several Yamen;
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in front of the GEM, it was forced to come to shares, according to you you by,
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entrepreneurs to calm, MO learn Google Shuapi Qi;
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National cents is not jealous, focusing instead on small businesses we dry;
preparing to raise awareness, at any time the company offered the central enterprises,
Hey, offering central rate!
reserves the right to more than twenty-one rights, orderly participation
Niu Article: Today we heard the core of entrepreneurial rights. entrepreneurs that the Government should be cherished the most creative people, is the country's wealth, and then can not use illegal means to bully them violent, against them.
I appeal to protect the entrepreneur to enjoy fair political and market position, protect the source of innovation in this country. Meanwhile, the entrepreneur must organize and orderly manner in national legislation and decision-making process, maintain our own rights do citizens have the courage to take the citizens to do responsibility. A government respects the rights of citizens, the expression of an entrepreneur to understand the interests of class, both of which are only to mature, the Chinese have a future.
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Liu Xianjun of death should not have happened, said they are completely innocent China has become a firm mm fitting network. The sounds were the first site is not a small income of more than ten million in the first year, to feed 4 people. But in 2010, at 9:00 on March 2, Liu Xianjun find themselves The site also died. In addition, a forum, there was a breach of information, the results have all been off the entire room. Of course, the innocent weeks. , so frustrating, the loss is too great. sites. One day, suddenly pulled the line. Why? because they sell there body painting paintings, the kind of dew point. The results are IDC installation of automatic identification system to check out. I guess in the end the system function What is it like, but it may sound and the The paintings were taken down to, it was to go step by step procedures to be reborn. So, here to remind all domestic and foreign business people to do works of art, whether you are selling, Internet, could you give the heroine dressed.
business, to the need to defend their rights when the economic desires
development, venture upon is as a fundamental, entrepreneurs have seen the fear and trepidation of a country to injure the prosperity of their country were almost?
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